25 caliber pistol dates from 1908 and, while based on his earlier designs, differs in many particulars.īritish Patent 1908-18567 and U.S.
In any case, the design that Webley & Scott licensed to Possibly the cost of retooling the production line was too great. & Scott did not adopt the design for mass production.” He does not say why. The unserialed prototype gun discussed below is of even later origin.īruce says of Whiting’s 1908 design: “Despite the advantages offered by the new layout, Webley in 1908, even though the patents upon which they are based were filed in
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I had assumed he took one or another of the prototype pistols discussed below, but Gordon Bruce states (on pagesġ54 and 282) that serial numbers 4138 were manufactured in January 1910, so they were not taken to the U.S. 25 caliber automatic pistol did not begin until 1912.Įxactly which pistols Whiting took to the U.S. One of these prototypes may have gone to H&R (see below). signed a formal licensing agreement.” Not long after this, Webley & Scott built two prototype pistols based on Whiting’s 1908 patents patent wasįiled on 14 September 1908, and it is possible that Whiting took the application with him and filed it while in the U.S.Īccording to Cuthbertson: “In late 1909, after the United states Patent Office had granted Whiting’s patent for the sear linkage, Harrington & Richardson and Webley & Scott Ltd. Several examples of pistols of a new design he had been working on, and I suspect he made the trip in late September, after filing the 1908 British patents for his new design (see below). According to Gordon Bruce, he took with him
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To negotiate distribution of Webley & Scott pistols in the Americas and to see if he could make some sort of satisfactory arrangement with H&R to license his patents. Whiting made a second trip to the United States late in 1908 in an effort (Remling states that a preliminary agreement was signed, but I can find no further evidence for this.) According to Cuthbertson, “.contact was maintained between the two companies.” In any case no agreement was reached during this first meeting. 32 pistol to show Harrington when they met, but it seems likely.
We do not know if Whiting had an example of his new. We may presume that this early discussion with H&R was about the manufacture of a pistol in. Whiting had just filed his first patent for an unlocked-breech self-loading pistol on 4 August of that year, and limited production of the gun in. With Colt’s for the lower end of the market. H&R was a well-known maker of economical shotguns and revolvers, and likely saw an opportunity to compete Must have conveyed to Whiting his company’s interest in the manufacture of automatic pistols, and Whiting must have conveyed to Harrington his desire to license his patents.Īt this time, only Colt’s was producing automatic pistols in the United States. & Richardson (H&R) company in Worcester, Massachusetts in the Winter of 1905, where he met with the 28 year-old Edwin Harrington, president of H&R and son of the founder of the company. Stephen Cuthbertson relates that William Whiting of the Webley & Scott (W&S) company of Great Britain first visited the factory of the Harrington
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